In Krista Tippett‘s most recent interview for On Being, she unpacks “meditation as a spiritual technology” together with Jon Kabat-Zinn, founder of the Center for Mindfulness in Medicine, HealthCare and Society at UMass.

(Yes, he is the son of Howard Zinn, author of A People’s History of the United States).

Highlights include discussion of:

  • meditation as a spiritual technology that can be a key to sane living in this world without having to abandon our worldly path
  • the distinction between thinking versus true attention and awareness
  • mindful parenting:  “living with children as a powerful spiritual practice” on which Jon & his wife wrote a book
  • Jon’s mindfulness facilitation at Google’s HQ in 2007
  • relationship between time and awareness
  • relationships, immune system, body & brain changes resulting from mindfulness
  • how (presumably non-spiritual) technology can be addictive
  • how stress dampens empathy
  • mindful leadership & Obama

The segment closes with this poem:

Love After Love by Derek Walcott

The time will come
when, with elation
you will greet yourself arriving
at your own door, in your own mirror
and each will smile at the others’ welcome,
and say, sit here. Eat.You will love again the stranger who was your self.
Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart
to itself, to the stranger who has loved you

all your life, whom you ignored
for another, who knows you by heart.
Take down the love letters from the bookshelf,

the photographs, the desperate notes,
peel your own image from the mirror.
Sit. Feast on your life.